Monday, October 17, 2005

Obscure Quotes

Today I’m posting some quotes from one of my favorite authors, Robert Asprin. I’ve been reading his novels since I was 8 or 9. Robert Asprin is the author of the Myth series and also the Phule series, both of which are sci-fi humor. I’m sure I’m taking his quotes out of context, so please don’t write me and let me know that he’s a raving liberal or closet communist. The point is that it doesn’t matter. The quotes work well in the context that I’m putting them in.

The first quote refers to the ability for college students to be misguided at best.

“Of course, for hotbeds of sedition and revolution, one need look no further than institutes of higher education. Rampant idealism untempered by the practicalities of having to earn a living is great for producing droves of untested youths who are convinced they know how to run the world better than those currently in charge” ~R .L. Asprin

The next quote speaks of why the army works the way it does.

“Oh, I know a lot of people see a soldier’s life as being subservient. That it’s the role of a mindless robot subject to the nonsensical orders and whims of his superior officers… including Generals. The fact is that an army has to be united in purpose, or it’s ineffectual. Each man in it voluntarily agrees to follow the chain of command because it’s the most effective way to achieve a common goal. A soldier who doesn’t know what he wants or why he’s fighting is worthless. Even worse, he’s a danger to anyone and everyone who’s counting on him.” ~R. L. Asprin

I especially like this next quote as I see it as a good example as to why we must fight terrorism and countries that threaten us.

“Think of a young man who trains himself so that he won’t be bullied by older, larger men. He lifts weights to develop his muscles, studies various forms of armed and unarmed combat, and practices long hard hours with one objective in mind: To harden himself to where he won’t have to knuckle under to anyone.”

“What would you say, then, if that same young man subsequently let every pipsqueak and bravo shove him around because he was afraid he’d hurt them if he pushed back?”

“I’d say he was a bloody idiot.” ~R. L. Asprin


At 6:40 AM, Blogger The Conservative UAW Guy said...

Never read the guy.
Does he still write?

Cool comments by the way.


At 6:47 AM, Blogger Dr. Phat Tony said...

He does still write. The Myth novels are finished but he is still currently writing the Phule series.

At 7:23 AM, Blogger Dan Trabue said...

What would you say, then, if that same young man subsequently let every pipsqueak and bravo shove him around because he was afraid he’d hurt them if he pushed back?

I'd say he was being quite Christ-like.

"When someone strikes your right cheek, turn them the left, also." -Jesus

At 7:30 AM, Blogger Dan Trabue said...

You quoted:
"The fact is that an army has to be united in purpose, or it’s ineffectual."

This seems to me to be one of the problems with armies. You're trained simultaneously to obey all orders and yet disobey illegal orders and yet, you may be court-martialed for disobeying orders you find illegal (see some of the current Iraq Invasion soldiers who've refused to participate).

You say you were once a soldier - how would you reconcile this? After all, when an action is under way, is it not difficult to ascertain which actions are legal and illegal? What if you are suspect of the legality of, say, the Iraq War? What if you suspect that it will eventually be proven to be an illegal action - a crime against peace or humanity? Are you not obliged to NOT be united in purpose?

I'd love to hear some thoughts from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

At 8:05 AM, Blogger PoP said...

Oh please let me take a shot at this. Not in order but buy quote. "Crime agaimst peace or humanity" Saddam just didn't kill one or two people who disagreed with him. he wiped out whole towns. I must return to work at this poin but will continue later.

At 8:27 AM, Blogger Dr. Phat Tony said...

Freeing an oppressed people from tyranny is a noble cause, and the legality of the war can simply be stated that the first war with Iraq(u) has just been continued. They broke the cease fire agreement that the leaders of Iraq(u) signed. I would have invaded after the first plane was shot at while patrolling the no fly zone. If you need more reasons you can read here. I don't need anymore reason than that they shot at us. Who would be in charge of deciding the legality of the war anyway? The UN? No one has ever been been punished for disobeying an illegal order. Everyone knows the rules of warfare and are expected to follow them. It is a soldiers duty not to obey an illegal order and then to report the person giving said order to the oppropriate authority. Being a Christian and a soldier is not a conflict of interest. The turn the other cheek argument is a week one when dealing with an enemy that only wants to destroy you. If Jesus said to give up your liberty, freedom, and lay down and die to any opposing force, than I'm a sinner and throught the grace of God I will be absolved from my sins. I think that if we followed the advice that you propose then there would be no United States, as fighting for freedom would be going against the "turn the other cheek" lesson you point to. But to throw in a Bible reference to dispute the turn the other cheek here you go. Romans 13 vrs 3-4 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Did that answer your question or are you just looking for an argument?

At 8:33 AM, Blogger a4g said...

More proof that a little dose of Asprin every day is good for the heart.

At 8:40 AM, Blogger Dr. Phat Tony said...

Also here is some one that has aboviously studied the Bible more than me and can explain the Christian aspect on the subject of war.

At 8:46 AM, Anonymous MEGABRAD said...

Hey DPT,

Thanks for the vote of confidence re: Megahut homeless housing. I appreciate the mention of the Nobel Peace Prize. Also, if your running/walking for some sort of political office, you have my support. For what it's worth!
"MEGABRAD hereby endorses Dr. Phat Tony for any and all political office which he may choose to seek. Not voting for Dr. Phat Tony is like a vote FOR communism."
Nice, eh?

At 8:54 AM, Blogger Dr. Phat Tony said...

Now that's a campaign slogan that could work.

At 10:07 AM, Blogger PoP said...

Not to mention the 17 resolutions Saddam ignored prior to the to the attack. At least we do what others only threaten to do. For what is a threat thats not followed by action, but an empty shell.

At 12:27 PM, Anonymous Steve said...

Right On! DPT and Pop. Dan is just a hippie in christian clothing. Typical pacifist stuff on his website.

Keep preaching the truth Doc.!

At 12:39 PM, Blogger GunnNutt said...

Man, I love it when you get on your high horse. I'd provoke you with some lefty stuff, but my mind can't work that way. Great post and response to commie-hippy!

At 2:34 PM, Blogger Insolublog said...

About the closest author I have read, in the military/sci-fi/humor category is William Dietz. I have seen Aspirin's stuff on the shelves (a long time ago).
Maybe I'll take a closer look.

At 4:11 PM, Anonymous Fitch said...

An Asprin a day keeps the Dr... Wait now I'm confused.

At 6:18 PM, Blogger Anna said...

Since I read that guy's comment, I have had "Onward Christian Soldiers" running through my head!

At 6:24 PM, Blogger SeanS said...

In reference to Dan:

Turn the cheek, and if the idiot strikes that one, well then he's just asking for it.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammo!

At 8:09 PM, Anonymous B-Cack said...

Dan I have one thing to say to you "Haji don't surf"

Let me expand on that actually..... you may turn your cheek to these religous fanatic jihadists, but you would quickly find your head being cut off on TV. (Which as we all know is far less offensive than being thrown into a pile of man love or being put on a dog leash!) We are offering hope to these people, women especially. Now, as a soldier, I don't make policy, I just enforce it. I obey orders issued to me by those put in command over me, and ultimately the CIC. An illegal order, such as " go rape that goat" will be refused. If soldiers are actually stating that refusing to go to war (thus becoming a faggoty ass hippie deserter) is only refusing to follow an order..... it is a sad, sad time. Of course the media being so left wing, will only report what you want to hear, ie; soldiers disobeying orders, "innocent" people being killed etc.... I do my job so you can have the freedom to cry and bitch about me doing my job, I do my job not because we are stealing oil, or George W, is the devil, like many lefties think, I do my job becasue I love it number one, and because it gives me a sense of pride and self-worth to know that I actually contribute to a nation in which I reside. Now, go fuck yourself. B-Cack OUT!

At 10:59 PM, Anonymous Fitch said...

Thank You B-Cack. I'm so glad to have you on my side. That would be the I love My country side

At 7:13 AM, Blogger GunnNutt said...

Thank you, B-Cack!

At 11:18 AM, Blogger Dan Trabue said...

Sorry I don't have time to respond further at the moment. Thanks for your kind suggestions, all (b-cack, I don't think your last suggestion is possible, but thanks just the same).

I'm just a person who is trying to take Jesus seriously. Don't like it? Take it up with Jesus.

Visit my blog and surf around if you'd like a more thorough defense of my position.


("Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God...Blessed are ye, when people shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad..." Jesus

Hey, Look at me! I'm blessed! thanks, y'all!)

At 11:47 AM, Blogger Dr. Phat Tony said...

Didn't quite respond to me there Dan, but I didn't expect you to either. No one persecuted you, but I see now the reason you wrote the comment to start. Wasn't the 11 commandment thou shall not troll? IF you're going to advertise for your blog do it by providing a thought provoking comment not by a shamefull plug.

At 11:58 AM, Blogger Gayle said...

I found this blog on The Raving Conservative, through Doc's comment: "I would volunteer but my arguments are usually non-linear and only make sense to the criminaly insane." It made me want to check out this blog to see if that statement was true: Not! No conservative is criminally insane here; just determined to save this country come hell or high water.

Good stuff!

At 2:30 PM, Blogger Dan Trabue said...

I'm sorry Tony, I just didn't/don't have time to respond just now. Just honestly thought that might be helpful, didn't mean to put a plug in, shameful or not.


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